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Metals related interviews conducted by John Lothian News (JLN) Senior Editor/Producer Sarah Rudolph or other John Lothian News (JLN) editors.

JLN Metals Interview: Kris Monaco of ISE on the new PureFunds ISE metal and gemstone ETFs

BY Sarah Rudolph » December 12, 2012 AT 2:45 pm

JLN Metals Interview: Kris Monaco, head of new product development at the International Securities Exchange (ISE)

The International Securities Exchange (ISE) recently announced its partnership with PureFunds in the launch of three new exchange traded funds (ETF), the PureFunds ISE Diamond/Gemstone ETF (NYSEARCA:GEM), the PureFunds ISE Mining Service ETF (NYSEARCA:MSXX), and the PureFunds ISE Junior Silver ETF (NYSEARCA:SILJ). All three ETFs track proprietary indexes developed by the ISE and are listed on NYSEArca. Kris Monaco took some time to speak with JLN Metals editor Sarah Rudolph about the characteristics and uses of these new products.

Q:  How and why did ISE develop these indexes in conjunction with the PureFunds ETFs?

A:  ISE developed the indexes over the past few months, after PureFunds approached us. They had interesting ideas in equity-only exposure to mining and hard assets.

When ISE became active in the ETF industry it was mostly by creating indexes that were equity-based in hard assets and natural resources, for example the First Trust ISE Revere Natural Gas ETF (NYSEARCA: FCG) is not natural gas futures but rather the companies exploring and producing natural gas.  That was our first niche in ETF industry. We had success and recognition in those indexes, which became the basis for ETFs and ETNs.

When we were approached by PureFunds to design the indexes, it seemed like a good fit because that’s where we have experience. To date, we’ve developed over 30 ISE indexes, some of which are actually quite difficult to design. In this case, we first establish the purest possible definition of that space and then we start our research almost as if we were equity research analysts, calling IR teams if we have to and getting revenue segment numbers.

Though two of these sectors are widely tracked, we were being a bit more specific in the case of silver. We did not put every silver miner into the index, only junior miners – small-cap silver companies. With the Diamond/Gemstone index we’re really focusing on companies that have most of their revenue exposure to diamonds and gemstones.

It requires quite a bit of research and modeling to put a portfolio together that can be investable and tradable.  Our Index Methodology Guides for each of the indexes include why a particular company was deemed to be in that space and how they are weighted in the index – in essence, the influence a company has at times of rebalancing. In this case we give more influence to companies with more exposure to the defined theme. We create factors that determine which is a pure play and which is a non-pure play and try to come up with the most investable portfolio.

Q: What is your criterion for a pure play vs. a non-pure play?

A:  When you are considering, for example, which of two gold companies to put in a gold index, it’s how you conclude which company is more related to gold. We come up with a method to evaluate that, which might include revenue exposure, exploration, how much of their activity is derived from gold mining and production. We come up with a revenue percentage threshold, and any company whose activity is greater than that number we deem a pure play.

Some companies with huge market capitalization derive their revenues from gold but also derive a large percentage from other areas. That will greatly influence the stock and therefore the index.

Q:  Why did you choose to have the silver and the gemstone indexes track the small cap companies rather than the larger ones?

Junior gold mining has a huge following, so it made sense that there should also be a reference for junior silver miners. A lot of investors follow silver stocks, so this gives silver its own benchmark. We thought the popularity of the junior gold would transfer well to junior silver.

Q:  Gold and silver ETFs seem to be quite popular now. What are the benefits of investing in precious metal and mining ETFs?

A: In terms of mining services it’s about the overall activity within the broader mining industry. With silver, in this case it’s about the implied leverage you get from companies that have exposure to that commodity. How much silver they pull out of the ground adds that component of leverage. If a company is making money producing silver, the amount of extraction will dictate their returns, so the greater the production the greater the returns. So you can get leveraged exposure to the commodity by investing in the companies that explore for them.

Q: What is your relationship with PureFunds? How did you come to get together with them on this venture?

A: Right now in the ETF industry, in order to issue ETFs, a registered investment advisor must seek exemptive relief from various provisions of the 1940 Investment Company Act.  An advisor can bring in partners to work with them to come up with investment ideas. Factor Advisors, the sub-advisor to PureFunds, was seeking to bring in additional partners to help launch those funds.  As part of the arrangement, PureFunds is obligated to pay costs associated with maintaining operations in those ETFs, rather than Factor Advisors taking on that obligation.

Separately, we have an agreement with PureFunds where we help pay those costs. This is part of a larger initiative we have in which we provide the underlying indexes for the ETFs and are also willing to put up startup capital to launch the ETFs.

Q:  Do the current difficulties in the mining industry – higher costs, smaller profits – make the service sector a safer investment than investing in mining companies themselves?

A: Our goal with the mining services index was to have something related to the mining industry but not dependent on one specific commodity.  We think it has its own dynamic. There is an oil and gas services benchmark and funds with billions in assets tied to that.  Fortunes rise and fall with miners, but since the sector involves a few different commodities, it is more diversified.

Q:  I read that the Diamond/Gemstone ETF will be the first ETF ever to hold shares exclusively of companies in the diamond and gemstone industry.  Is there something that makes now the right time to launch such an ETF?

A:  It is a unique ETF, but then I think all three of these new ETFs are pretty unique. The Gemstone ETF captures attention because this is a major area within mining and exploration that has not yet been focused on specifically. We thought that was a huge gap in the ETF industry.  Also, another firm has recently filed for a physical diamond trust. We feel our products will be complementary. People are interested in both the ETFs that hold physical gold and the ones that hold mining stocks. They are complementary in holdings and in their return profiles as well.  Because there is so much interest in physical diamonds we thought it was important to have an equity exposure play too.

These were ideas brought to us by Purefunds that we felt strongly about. They came to us for index expertise and we came back with indexes and venture capital support, and also guidance from a marketing and product design point of view.

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Five Minutes with Ryoichi Seki, SVP of Global Business Development at TOCOM

BY Sarah Rudolph » November 20, 2012 AT 10:10 am

Last month exchange leaders and market participants from around the world travelled to Chicago for the FIA Expo. Ryoichi Seki, senior vice president, global business development at the Tokyo Commodity Exchange flew in from Japan and sat down with JLN Metals editor Sarah Rudolph to talk about TOCOM’s newest developments, strategies for growth, challenges to the metals industry, and regulatory changes in Japan.

JLN Metals Interview: Kevin Powers, director of sales, North America at FastMarkets

BY Sarah Rudolph » October 31, 2012 AT 12:47 pm

Kevin Powers recently joined FastMarkets as its director of sales, North America. FastMarkets provides reporting and analysis of the metals markets and broadcasts from the floor of the London Metal Exchange every day. Their web site is www.fastmarkets.com.  He recently spoke with JLN Metals editor Sarah Rudolph about the company’s offerings, his new role, and the road he took to end up there.

Five Minutes with Jeffrey M. Christian of CPM Group

BY Sarah Rudolph » October 5, 2012 AT 11:36 am

Jeffrey M. Christian is the managing director and founder of CPM Group, which offers commodities research, consulting, asset management and investment banking services. He is well known for his research and analysis of copper, gold, and other commodities and writes and speaks extensively about precious metals as well as world economic conditions. He sat down with JLN Metals editor Sarah Rudolph in his New York offices recently to talk about the outlook for gold demand, the effects of recent central bank actions, the jewelry markets in China and India, and why GATA is so angry at him.

Q: What do you think will be the effect of QE3 on the demand for gold and metals prices?

A: Our analysis regarding monetary accommodation, whether it’s quantitative easing or what the Fed calls “large scale asset purchases,” or maturity extension programs like that of the ECB or the Bank of Japan, the first thing you have to note is that since 2008 or 2009, each time the Fed or other monetary authorities have done a large scale asset purchase program, the economic results have diminished from the previous round, and the effects on asset markets – including gold and silver and copper and oil – have been diminished. So what you’re seeing, which the Fed has talked about during the past year, is diminishing returns, both in the real economic benefits the Fed seeks to promote, and in the asset prices, including commodities.

Our view is that the most recent asset purchase program will have very little positive effect on the economy and on metals prices, and that most of the effect on metals prices is already priced into the market. In addition, part of the effect on asset prices has been the inflationary expectations. But over the last three and a half years there has been no inflationary implication to these asset purchase programs. What you’ve actually seen is inflation deteriorating, and the threat of deflation becoming greater today in the U.S. and globally. These things could be inflationary at some point in the future, but monetary authorities know how to sterilize that inflationary implication should it start to appear.

One of the things you’re seeing in the markets right now is institutional investors saying, “In the past I bought into the inflationary thesis promoted by people selling assets (brokers and banks), so when I’ve seen these Fed programs I’ve gotten excited thinking that it’s going to be inflationary, and it hasn’t been. So when they come screaming at me, ‘You’ve gotta buy gold, you’ve gotta buy silver, you’ve gotta buy oil and copper’ because of the inflationary indications of the latest round of Fed monetary accommodation, I’m just drinking decaf coffee and saying, wake me when we see the inflationary implications.”

Five Minutes with Michael Turek, Senior Director, Metals Group, Newedge USA

BY Sarah Rudolph » September 26, 2012 AT 12:23 pm

Newedge, a leading multi-asset brokerage and clearing house owned jointly by Société Générale and Crédit Agricole CIB, recently announced a slew of new hires and promotions at their metals desk. The move came after a period in which the company saw several members of its metals group move over to other firms. Newedge, a category 1 ring dealing member of the London Metal Exchange, is currently the single largest LME participant by market share, according to Michael Turek, senior director of the Metals Group at Newedge USA.  Turek sat down with JLN Metals editor Sarah Rudolph in his New York office for a chat about Newedge’s metals business, the HKEx takeover of LME, the outlook for China, and the current low interest-rate environment, among other things.

Q: What is unique or special about Newedge’s metals group?

A:  We have a customer-centric model that is somewhat unique. It is based on a non-proprietary model. We don’t compete with our customers positionally; we’re there to facilitate trades. We don’t have any proprietary trading of either client assets or our own.
We are very overcapitalized in the client positions we hold, on purpose. We maintain what I called purity of balance sheet in that unlike most of our competitors, we don’t have any Level 3 risky assets on our balance sheet, no concealed or non-reportable derivatives positions. It’s all nearby, very fungible secure assets. And we’re not trading with those assets.

Metals is Newedge’s fastest growing business.

Q: What impact do you believe the Hong Kong Exchanges & Clearing takeover of the London Metal Exchange will have on LME’s markets?

A: We’re excited about the new ownership of the LME, particularly given HKEx’s commitment not to change the format in terms of maintaining floor trading and daily and monthly prompts.  My sense is the exchange will be driven as we are by client needs.  So it will probably be a fairly stable exchange.  It is natural for businesses to be attracted to areas where capital is generated, and that is the Far East.  We supported that merger. We were already established in the Far East through our joint venture with CITIC, which permits qualified corporate participants access to Chinese markets through the Newedge platform and facilitates arbitrage opportunities.

So for us, this is additional synergy. Assuming the Chinese central authorities will become a little bit more relaxed about currency transferability, we hope that this alliance might culminate with a Chinese currency denominated contract or two.

What isn’t being spoken about much, but what I feel would be an important component of this marriage is a chain of LME registered warehouses across the Chinese mainland, which would help serve China’s needs as the largest producer and consumer of metals. That warehouse chain will be very significant in building the business and in building Western-Sino trade relationships.

Five Minutes with Michael Frawley, global head of metals at Jefferies Bache

BY Sarah Rudolph » September 19, 2012 AT 12:25 pm

Five Minutes with Michael Frawley, global head of metals at Jefferies Bache, managing director and head of sales and base metals at Jefferies & Co.

The London Metal Exchange in August approved Jefferies Bache, the brokerage arm of U.S. investment bank Jefferies Group, as a ring-dealing member, making it one of a dozen “top-tier” members allowed to trade via open-outcry, electronic platform and phone. The move is a push by Jefferies into the commodities space, following the hiring of a number of floor traders from Natixis Commodity Markets and several metals traders from Jefferies’ rival Newedge. JLN Metals editor Sarah Rudolph spoke with Michael Frawley, global head of metals at Jefferies Bache, on what is behind the move and what are the opportunities in the current economic environment.

Q: The Financial Times reported that Jefferies is making a big push into the metals space and hopes to be one of the top ranked metals brokers on the LME. How did this come about and why metals?

A: Jefferies bought Prudential Bache on July 1, 2011, a substantial acquisition to form what is now Jefferies Bache. There are numerous commodity businesses within Jefferies Bache. We believe this is the right time to expand our metals franchise. For example, the  LME floor team of Natixis recently became available, and we saw that as a strategic fit and an opportunity for us to further expand our global offering. We can now provide our clients the choice between different pools of liquidity, either electronic, or the floor or with our own market making via voice or IM.

We consider ourselves to be in a sweet spot in the industry where we are confident with our growth strategy and feel we are moving from strength to strength, particularly while other firms are downsizing their businesses.

Q: Will you be based in London now?  

A: No, I am based in New York, where Jefferies Bache is headquartered.

Q: Was the takeover of the London Metal Exchange by HKEx a motivation for this move at all?  Do you expect it to bring in more trading?

A: It was not a motivation but it does provide a background. The fact that HKEx purchased the LME at a multiple of 180 times earnings underscores the importance of the natural resource market in Asia and the investment HKEx is prepared to make to access that marketplace. China is the largest importer of metals, representing 40 percent or so of base metals world consumption. HKEx plans to bring the Asian dynamic to the LME and indeed, we wish them every success.

Q: HKEx has pledged to keep the London bourse’s ring and system of establishing metals prices until at least 2015. Do you think anything will change after 2015?

A:  The HKEx told me personally that they have no interest in setting a target for change. They want to assure the marketplace that they are fully committed to supporting the LME in all aspects of their business for as long as the modes of trading conducted today continue to be supported by the marketplace. I believe the HKEx and by extension the LME will continue to support all strategies as long as they remain relevant. Of course, there’s a natural evolutionary process in all businesses, and time will tell with floor trading as well as current modes of voice or electronic trading. The floor is particularly important for sourcing prompt date liquidity. Throughout its contracts, LME has over 1,000 settlement dates. Consequently, there is considerable activity within the date structure of the LME community, which does not lend itself to all aspects of screen trading. The electronic market tends to focus on 3-month trading and a limited number of spread contracts. The floor in particular establishes the full closing price curve throughout the date structure at 5pm each day and currently I see no replacement or alternative to the floor for this activity.

Q: Was your hire as global head of metals and listed products the first step in the boost of Jefferies’ metals desk?  

A: Actually, I believe Patrice Blanc, the CEO of Jefferies Bache, has made a steady investment in our metals offering since Jefferies acquisition of Bache, in 2011. I joined Jefferies in June of 2012, and you must see that as part of a strategy to build out all aspects of the Jefferies Bache commodities platform.

Q: Is the demand for metals trading a result of the eurozone banking crisis? How are you – as the Financial Times article said – “capitalising on the eurozone banking crisis to expand beyond [your] traditional reach”?

A: I think that’s where we are today. There are many opportunities presented to the North American and Asian FCM community as the European banking and brokerage community continue to downsize prompted by their more challenging economic environment.

We have been able to hire a number of the best people in our business. I am pleased at what we see happening around us, in terms of our ability to attract top tier clients and brokers.

There are growing opportunities for market participants, including investors and hedgers.  Investors and fund managers continue to see base metals as an asset class, while hedgers are increasingly seeking to minimize their exposures to market risk and price volatility.

I also see a trend in which the Asian community will look to extend their reach globally. As the Chinese regulators lower the regulatory hurdles and as the renminbi becomes convertible, there will be tremendous growth within the Asian marketplace and banking community. The recent effort by the HKEx to anticipate this change and list a Renminbi FX future contract is an indication of the changes ahead.

CME Group’s Young-Jin Chang on the new hot-rolled steel options and scrap steel futures

BY Sarah Rudolph » September 11, 2012 AT 12:20 pm

Young-Jin Chang, Director, Metals, Research and Product Development at CME Group, on CME hot-rolled steel options and scrap steel futures

The CME Group launched its scrap steel futures Monday, Sept. 10, and last week saw the first trades in its hot-rolled coil steel options, which were launched in December.

Following up on the interview we conducted on the scrap contract with the CME’s Harriet Hunnable last month, JLN Metals editor Sarah Rudolph spoke with Young-Jin Chang about both of these new products and how they can be used together and as parts of the CME Group’s Virtual Steel Mill.

Q:  This is the first time the hot-rolled steel options have traded, but they were actually launched several months ago. Why do you believe you are seeing interest in the contracts now?

A: It is typical after we launch a new product for it to take some time before we see trading, mainly because it takes some educational effort for people to understand what the product is about and get up to speed. We finally saw that happening in August. It’s a combination of the market and where the price is trending. When the market is less volatile, maintaining the status quo, you see less trading activity, especially in options.  

Interview: Harriet Hunnable on CME U.S. scrap metal futures

BY Sarah Rudolph » July 24, 2012 AT 8:17 pm

The CME Group recently announced that they will launch a new U.S. Scrap Metal futures contract in August. Harriet Hunnable, managing director of the CME Group’s metals products, sat down with JLN Metals editor Sarah Rudolph to talk about the new product and how it fits in with the CME’s current metals product suite.

Five Minutes With Chris Gale, Latin Resources Limited

BY JLN Metals » May 2, 2012 AT 4:03 pm

Chris Gale is the CEO of Latin Resources Limited, an iron ore and gold exploration company based in Perth, Western Australia. Latin Resources uses mineral sands technology to process iron ore and other materials at its Guadalupito project in the northern desert of Peru. Gale talked to editor/producer Nicole V. Rohr about the company’s reasons for using offshore mining and mineral sands production and about its future plans in Latin America.

Five Minutes With Harriet Hunnable, CME Group

BY JLN Metals » April 30, 2012 AT 6:51 pm

Harriet Hunnable is the managing director for metals products at CME Group. She sat down with editor/producer Nicole V. Rohr to discuss copper futures, which hit a record volume of 127,276 contracts on April 10. Hunnable also discussed the benefits of average price contracts, like CME Group’s new copper calendar swap contract launched on March 12.

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